【MHライズ】弓マルチだったら弱点特効外すのもあり？
2022-02-21
29: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 15:04:13.42 ID:GLh4nNhJ0
まったりやりたいし、マルチでは全身に攻撃したりするし、思い切って弱特は完全に外して攻撃盛りにするわ
弱特積まないから超会心積んでも意味ないし、攻撃を限界まで積んだらあとは属性くらいしかないよね
30: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 15:05:50.61 ID:MgisiOkAd
弱特は武器にもよるが無理して積まなくてもいい気がするよ
32: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 15:11:28.90 ID:07DzUxpx0
弱点狙わないならどんな武器だってゴミだし好きにすりゃいいって話よ
そこはもう自分のプレイスタイル次第
34: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 15:40:17.79 ID:lsIYr3Csa
結局弱特に帰ってくるで
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35: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 16:10:49.88 ID:2PiCuARQ0
弱点命中率どれぐらいから弱特+超会心>攻撃になるかを考えてつけよう
俺はめんどくさい
36: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 16:33:42.52 ID:GLh4nNhJ0
弱特の50%がイカれ数値なんだよな
37: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 16:43:35.54 ID:SJX9b2so0
弱特付けてなくても結局弱点狙うからデメリットが意味をなしていないんだよな
38: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 16:56:34.16 ID:vqolBlwR0
結局PSとの相談になるんじゃね
自分は高攻撃力のヌシディアとかティガとか相手にする場合は
弱特抜いてでも回避距離３にするし
39: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 16:57:58.67 ID:bOUl1jlu0
攻撃盛ったところで弱点以外のダメージの増加量って…
40: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 17:02:28.50 ID:jVeVoGYK0
今回弾肉質きびしいからいくらバ火力の弓と言ってもね
マルチだってちゃんと弱点狙わないと剣士に火力で負けるぞ
一応飛び道具なんだからマルチでもかなり狙えるほうでしょ
41: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 17:36:13.93 ID:hzxuDHqqM
弱点特効3は命中率50%でも1.125倍なんだから流石に攻撃ごときとは全く比較にならない
45: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 19:18:20.10 ID:lsIYr3Csa
>>43があってる
46: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 19:37:19.07 ID:rn9JYuliM
>>43
おっしゃる通り失礼
半分外せば攻撃4といい勝負になるんだな
42: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 18:01:51.81 ID:lsIYr3Csa
弓はほとんど百竜だから弱特なしだとダメージの伸び代がほぼないんだよな
結局弱特になるわ
ヤツカダキみたいなあほみたいな肉質のやつは弱特のかわりに破壊王いれてダウン優先もありか
48: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 19:58:35.16 ID:TstoOBF0a
弱点の方がダメージ大きいから
半々で当てても実際にはもう少し高くなるけどね
50: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 21:56:11.77 ID:GLh4nNhJ0
>>48
期待値には肉質とか全然関係ないと思うんだけど
スキルが無い状態と同じ場所に同じだけ当てた時にダメージが何倍上がるかってだけだし
64: カムラのハンター 2022/02/17(木) 01:12:31.45 ID:kLoVIBAta
>>50
めちゃくちゃ関係あるだろアホなの？
65: カムラのハンター 2022/02/17(木) 01:32:01.04 ID:Lheil1eL0
>>64
どんな関係？
215の攻撃力の武器で100発撃つ、うち50は肉質45に、残り50は肉質30に当たります
その時のスキルが弱特3のみか攻撃4のみの場合の期待値を計算してください
って話をしてたわけだけどこれ別に条件を肉質60と肉質20にしたって期待値の比率変わらんよね
45以上に当てれるヒット数の増減はめちゃくちゃ関係あるけど
67: カムラのハンター 2022/02/17(木) 03:55:19.51 ID:+Ww1eHlJp
>>65
これ計算すると肉質45/30のときは攻撃4が勝って60/20のときは弱特が勝つっぽいけど
攻撃4はいつでも効果出るけど弱特は肉質45以上にだけかけ算するんだから肉質の影響はあって当然でしょ
直感的にも60/20だと20に攻撃が乗ってもほぼ伸びないから肉質60で弱特が広げた差が埋まらずに45/30と逆転するのも自然
116: カムラのハンター 2022/02/17(木) 22:39:59.16 ID:n65SkFe1a
>>65
実ダメージの比率変わってるじゃねーかそれ
両方合わせた期待値計算してないだろ
片方だけ見たらそりゃ変わらんよ会心率変わらんから
49: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 20:50:46.01 ID:2PiCuARQ0
弱点とそれ以外の肉質差すごいからなあ
51: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 22:11:25.38 ID:GDC/jMa70
雑に撃つよりも正確に撃つ方が報われるゲームのほうが楽しいから弱特無しビルドははなっから考えたくないんだなぁ
52: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 22:24:21.07 ID:IqJzgzChr
つまり弱点無い時間の長いナルガ相手なら攻撃ビルドありってことか
58: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 23:26:02.61 ID:XlkWToGO0
>>52
そりゃ肉質45が無いか極端に狙える時間が少ないモンスならそうだよ
サブレじゃそういうのが増える可能性はある
53: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 22:28:26.15 ID:GLh4nNhJ0
ホントに全射撃のうち半分しか弱点に当てられない1.0625のテクニックの人ならば、215の攻撃力なら攻撃4のほうが期待値上だよね
1.05した上で7も足すから
54: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 22:44:28.39 ID:ee75g23v0
ただそんな立ち回りするならビルドより前に見直すべきことがある
55: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 23:15:34.98 ID:DkD5UySq0
弱点狙えなかったり適正距離維持できない人は回避距離付けてないか積みすぎなんじゃないのかな
56: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 23:16:28.97 ID:XlkWToGO0
弱点狙わないのに弓なんてやるくらいならおとなしく斬列弾でも撃っとけということ
59: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 23:26:24.64 ID:hMijMq6U0
連射と拡散は弱特だけど貫通は基本的に攻撃4にしてるな
貫通だと弱点には半分ぐらいしか当たらん事多いし、それが正解かどうかはわからんが
60: カムラのハンター 2022/02/16(水) 23:34:01.90 ID:9DHt/8Tn0
結局攻撃より弱特の方がダメ出るんだよな
63: カムラのハンター 2022/02/17(木) 00:39:14.98 ID:Q2ZZXE060
貫通弓使ったTAで弱特超会心だったから俺も真似するぜ
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